UV light therapy

[SAILOR]

Does anyone have convincing evidence for efficacy of UV light blood treatment for HCV? Or personal experience with same?

[willy]

At one time I think there was a post.....possibly from Melania about a treatment that was tested that seemd to work.  If you use the search at the top of the forum you may be able to find it.  Perhaps someone else will remember and "bump" it up.  To the best of my knowledge it was effective, simple, and with no serious side effects.   I have to wonder how they would clean the apparatus....maybe with disposible lines.  You would not want to share your IV line with anyone else; right?

Best,
Willy

[Ella]

I've heard about a treatment in Western Australia where they withdraw blood, treat it with UV and heat (I think) and then return it to the body.  It was being used for Aids patients and from what I remember had quite a good success rate, so why wouldn't it work with HCV?  However, predictably, it was very unpopular with the medical establishment so probably had to go underground. 

[felyne]

I think you may be talking about EBOO or Extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation.

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auth:Bocci,V

It is similar to kidney dialysis, but the big difference is the addition of ozone or O3.
Ozone kills anything that does not belong in your body, bacteria, viruses, pathogens,IO
parasites and cancers. 

You can go to curezone.com and look under the oxygen forum to find more about
ozone.  I do not think they are doing this anywhere but in SE Asia somewhere.
It would surely kill the virus.  I've heard of rectal insufflations curing HIV. 
Ozone is legal in about 12 US states, but they don't do EBOO.
They take your blood out, ozonate it for 40 min and put it back in.  They don't
circulate it or filter it.

The big pharmas are trying like mad to discredit ozone as it is cheap and works.  Where would the whole industry be if no one needed $25,000 a year treatments?  So you can see why
they don't want it to succeed.

Hope you can find someone that does it, it will be well worth the effort.

Good luck!

[willy]

Here are a few links to 3 threads that exist in our board; some of the threads also have links and commentary. 

http://www.hcvanonymous.com/SMF/index.php?topic=1934.0

http://www.hcvanonymous.com/SMF/index.php?topic=2307.0

http://www.hcvanonymous.com/SMF/index.php?topic=2014.0

I don't know that they are all active links but they were all pulled off of our board search engine.  If you ever have questions about something obscure it may have been written about in the past.  Worth a try.   

I hope this helps.  It's a great idea and "bloody" simple.  It might also be used in conjunction with other therapies, as a maintenece therapy, or for those with advanced liver disease that can't treat.

Best,
Willy

[robin]

On another hepper site...there is a guy who did liver dialysis. It worked somewhat like kidney dialysis except it is only a short term, temporary fix and uses charcoal to clear the toxins. A Dr. Michael Stribling is the guy who is using it. If I had enough sense to cut and paste...I'd put the article here but since I don't...guess if you are interested you can google the doctor who is in Houston, Texas or google Liver Dialysis. Keep your spirits high..robin     

[EBOO]

For rereral to an EBOO practicing physician or further information email, eboo.safe@gmail.com.

Learn what drug companies dont want you or your doctor to know.

[willy]

If you have information I'm sure that many people would like to read about it.  Care to post some information? If not you might also suggest some key words to "google"

Willy

[Ella]

Hi EBOO - can you tell us a bit more about this?

[hanklive39]

If anyone's interested, check these links out:

http://www.arbios.com/liver/index.htm
http://www.arbios.com/liver/patients.htm
http://www.arbios.com/pipeline/index.htm
http://www.arbios.com/pipeline/sepet.htm
http://www.arbios.com/pipeline/hepat.htm

Here are the scientific publications with respect to liver dialysis/artificial liver:
http://www.arbios.com/pipeline/publications.htm

Here are some other good reads with respect to the ELAD otherwise known as the Extracorporeal Liver Assist Device:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/news/1999/19990225-elad.html
http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2002/artificalliver.htm
http://www.alinfoundation.com/Medical%20Research/Liver.htm
http://medgadget.com/archives/2006/03/bioartificial_l.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/09/020910080712.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/08/010801082333.htm
http://www.charite.de/avt/research/sauer/projects/mels_lab/detox_module/detox_start.html
http://mayoresearch.mayo.edu/mayo/research/nyberg_lab/
http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/programs/medical_devices/liver.htm
http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2002/artificialliver.htm
http://www.touchbriefings.com/pdf/1980/Rozga.pdf
http://www.touchbriefings.com/pdf/1980/Rosenthal.pdf
http://www-phys.llnl.gov/Organization/MDivision/Research/bioreactor.html
http://www.drugresearcher.com/news/ng.asp?id=56366-artificial-liver-an
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_dialysis

Here are some other interesting articles:
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/display.var.993856.0.northeast_scientists_grow_artificial_liver.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3430525.stm
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/061031_artif_liver.html

There's more but I'm tired so that all I'm going to contribute today.

Respectfully,
Hanklive Lives for Today and Tomorrow!!!

[robin]

Boy Hank...that took some effort...all that researching and posting. Bet your fingers are tired too. Keep your spirits high...robin

[Ella]

Thanks Hank!  Looks like we got some reading to do.

[DougV]

Just a thought.

Ozone and UV are both excellent at sterilizing things.  Both have been used in water treatment for years to purify water.

BUT I can see absolutely no way either they or hydrogen peroxide could have any significant impact on HCV.  Reason why is simple, the virus replicates and survives in the liver.  Yes it is present in the blood but it's main residency and where it causes the most problem is in the liver.  You could run your blood through UV or Ozone or react with hydrogen peroxide forever but never would any of these methods touch the virus deep in the body.  You might reduce a blood borne virus level but that is meaningless and would accomplish nothing.

I'm not a doctor but from a chemistry point of view there is simply no way.

Doug

[19Dragon52]

Hi DougV...

In response to your post...I understand where your *Chemistry point of view" is coming from for this particular thread and maybe I am taking this out of context from the point you are trying to make...I need to say I haven't read many of the links in this post, yet so...    BUT do you also consider today's standard medical method of Hep C tx and it's hopeful reduction of the V/L to be meaningless also?  No ill intent meant here...just curious and anxious to learn.  Waiting on my 6 month Post Tx (Peg-intron & Ribavirin) lab results..."Undectable" since my 12th week on TX.

Hope You Are Having A Nice Weekend.....  

[DougV]

Dragon52,

No I consider the current tx to be the only option anyone with Hep has, at this moment in time, to really treat, or cure if you like, Hep C.  These tx methods make sense to me.  They reach the liver and either kill the virus or prevent its replication.  And I do believe that those that reach 6 months post tx with normal LFT's and undetectable virus levels are pretty well done with hep except in the most rare case or of course where there is reinfection.

I just can't make sense out of UV, hyperbaric O2, Ozone, or hydrogen peroxide.  Not one of these methods reaches the liver and most wouldn't even get past the skin or the lungs.  Sterilizing small amounts of blood and putting it back does nothing so I just don't get it.

Wasn't it PT Barnum that said there is a sucker born every minute and two to take them?  I think a lot of the alternative treatments out there, including these, are simply designed to take money from the scared and desperate (I include myself in the scared and desperate catagory).  Personally I'd rather see people take their money and enjoy what life they have left rather then pad the bank accounts of a few undeserving individuals.

And best of luck on the six months post.  I'm one of the ones that relapsed so I tend to hold my breath for everyone waiting for that all important test.

Doug