EBOO- Ozone Therapy

[willy]

This is a continuation from this thread;
http://www.hcvanonymous.com/SMF/index.php/topic,5641.0.html

I'm starting a new thread here with the intention of keeping the discussion about ONLY this type of treatment, although it would be open to any information about OZONE therapy; not only EBOO. 

There may be posts which could be considered as advertisements.  I hope that those will be kept to a minimum but getting some information here is a good step in being able to converse about the process itself; what it is, how it works, potential for helping treat HCV, alleviate symptoms, or mitigate damage. 

Of course this thread also invites feedback.

Willy

[EBOO]

Learn what drug companies don't want you or your doctor to know!

"Viral load reduction by blood ozonation (EBOO) alleviates immune system fatigue… a greatly under published study with momentous implications (Wentworth 2002, Max 2002) documented that ozone is indeed produced in the body in the context of immune function… ”
Dr G.V Sunnen,  MD,  New York     www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/hepc.htm

Many people are not aware of the anti viral qualities of “medical grade” ozone or tri-atomic oxygen O3  
Yes, Ozone the same gas molecule that in the upper atmosphere protects us from harmful radiation from the sun and makes life on earth possible. Ozone, a powerful non-radical oxidant, has been used in medicine initially by German physicians as early as 1870.
 In the last 50 years itis estimated 10 million people mostly in central Europe have benefited from ozone treatments. Numerous professional medical researchers have independently demonstrated ozone’s powerful anti-bacterial & anti-viral properties, it’s activation of antioxidant enzymes, and many other remedial effects and it's non toxicity in blood, the evidence & literature is abundant and profuse.
Ozone is slandered by its use as a measure of air pollution in the lower atmosphere,
It is indeed the case that ozone levels rise and fall proportional to smog levels but ozone is not the source pollutant only a by product of the chemical reaction of nitrogen oxide’s (the source pollutant from fuel combustion), air and sunlight.
Ozone when inhaled in concentration is toxic, the human lungs have evolved to breath air at sea level (79% nitrogen 20% oxygen) any other gas inhaled in concentration has a negative effect.
Ozone when otherwise consumed is of holistic health benefits, nothing is more vital to human life than water but that is not the case when it is inhaled.
On the basis of a 1977 study of ozone as a photochemical pollutant and it's negative effects on the respiratory tract, FDA would have us believe that ozone is a toxic gas of no known medical benefit.
This Is Drug company propaganda.
The Pharmaceutical industry despises ozone much like acupuncture as it can’t be patented, packaged or taxed effectively (so does get much support from government revenue collectors either). proliferation of ozone use in medicine would undermine demand for drugs. While the states FDA ( & similar health authorities in most capitalist english speaking countries) continue to aggressively suppress publicity, practice and research of in Ozone in medicine it has been used for decades in other countries with first world health systems including Germany, Swizerland, Italy, Russia,Israel & Japan

"The thing that bugs me is that people think the Food and Drug Administration is protecting them. It isn’t!
What the FDA is doing and what people think it's doing are as different as night and day...for a price (usually a gift of stocks in the company) one can induce FDA administrators to provide protection from the FDA itself...and destroy free market competitors.."
Dr Herbert Day, former FDA Chief Commissioner in evidence before the US Senate.

The multi billion dollar pharmaceutical industry and medical associations (particularly in capitalist English speaking countries) have long used their commercial & political influence to suppress effective therapies that undermine society’s dependence on drugs & surgery, so to protect their income & secure investment in drug research. An epidemic of good health would conflict with the sales & profit priority of drug Companies.

Introducing a revolutionary new European treatment for viral infections 
 
 EBOO-SAFE
{ Extra-corporeal Blood Oxygenation & Ozonation – Simple Access Fluid Extraction }
  
NO PAIN…..NO DRUGS…..NO SURGERY…..NO SIDE EFFECTS
 
  "Since traditional treatments where unsuccessful EBOO was tried. This technique is no longer in the experimental stage. It is used routinely in our hospital. Patient condition improved radically after EBOO."   Dr N.Di Paolo, University of Sienna, Italy.

{ www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/rer/2005/00000010/00000003/art00002 }

"...Blood reports after EBOO show noticeable improvement in liver function..." Dr Yap Han Seong, B Sc, MD, MRCP (UK) Consultant Physician Cardiology

[Lynne]

Hi Doug,
I am back among the living.  I decided to stop all alternatives for a week, and just cleanse with water and juices, and food of course while I re-evaluate my regimen.   During that time, I caught the worst cold I have had in a long time which left me with an ear infection.  I guess this was payback for not catching anything the kids brought home from school this past year.

Well, to answer your question about what I believe ozone does for me.  I believe it plays a role in lipid peroxidation.  In that, it provides oxygen to cells which helps to change the chemical compound of cells that are ill or diseased.  Many bacterium, and diseases thrive in an anaerobic state free of oxygen (Louis Pasteur, 1863).  Hep C, HIV, and some other viruses are lipid enveloped, so to disable the replication ability of these viruses the lipid envelope needs to be disrupted.  Ozone and ph therapy is also used for cancer.

Bacteria, Mold and Mildew:   Ozone works great for bacteria, mildew, and mold.  My husband uses it when he has an upset stomach.  I have used it on impetigo on the kids, and books that had some mildew.  I put the book in a plastic bag, sealed it, and turned the machine on for 30 minutes, did it for a few days. It came out fresh cleaning, and the mildew smell was all gone.  It is also good for tennis shoes, and killing foot odor.  It will eradicate Helicobacter pylori.  A group of 215 patients with Helicobacte pylori were given ozone therapy which resulted in regression of symptoms, regeneration  of tissue, and eradication of the bacterium (Medscape, 2006, Ozone therapy in gastroduodenal pathology associated with Helicobacter pylori, Medine identifier 17201222).  It is also good if you feel like you have eaten some bad food and developing gastro upset.  

Lipid enveloped viruses.  There is some evidence that ozone disrupts the lipid envelope that surrounds the Hep C virus, but it is hard to find research that is scientific and not cited by persons selling ozone equipment.  Ozone inactivates viruses by disrupting the lipid coating, and it also decreases oxidative stress.  Oxidative stress is a key in alternative medicine.  The more anti-oxidants I take during the day, the better I feel.  By decreasing oxidative stress, the immune system become stronger.  I think this is what the one member does, I can't remember his name who does Vit C shots.  It's reducing his oxidative stress.  On the other hand, there is a fine line, because too much can inhibit the immune system.  I would not do any invasive ozone technique on my own, but ingesting ozonated water, 2-4 glasses on alternating weeks.  I am probably safe.  

Ozone given in certain amounts under 42mcg/ml does not affect red blood cells, and will raise white blood cells.

Ozone can be administered using autohemotherapy which needs to be conducted by a Doctor, rectal insufflation, ozonated water, ozonated olive oil, sauna, and baths.   I do water, and olive oil.  I would like a sauna, but they are too expensive.  I would try autohemotherapy, but there is not a doctor around, and I don't know if I trust a doctor enough to know what he is doing.  Again, this can get expensive.  We have decided that since we are overseas to use needle sticks as little as possible including clinics and acupunture.

I don't know much about UV light therapy.  I know it is used in medicine and used sometimes after chemo, but I have read some research where it decreases NK cell funtion.  There is a clinic in Africa that uses it for HIV, but I think the therapy is coupled with ozone

Eboo therapy is ozone therpay used mainly for heart disease.  Again, I have not heard much about this.  but here is an interesting site. www.eboo.com.my. 

Doug, I hope this answers your questions.  A good article to go to is www.keephopealive.org/ozone.
My husband has to have colon surgery and went to the gastro last night.  The doctor says I need to get on interferon right away.  It is always there in the back of my mind to start, but just can't seem to take the plunge.  It is a lot cheaper over here, but before I make my decision, I am getting another viral load in April.  I have been reading the VX-950 trials.  It seems the sides are terrible.  

I cannot insert links, and I don't know why.  I did not spell check, so there may be some typos.
Take care,
Lynne

[EBOO]

Yes the same EBOO (Extra corpreal blood oxygenation & ozonation) proceedure has been seen very effective with Heart disease (lipid peroxidation again is a likely mechanism) , exactly the same proceedure is used for patients with viral infections.
EBOO thou can not be self administered unlike most other ozone therapies, any one with nursing skills could be trained to perform it but I recommend consultation with a doctor with experienced staff.

[DougV]

Lynne,

I appreciate the response.  And I do think you are wise considering the part of the world you are in to avoid any sticks of any type.  In Egypt hep is as high as 50% of populace in some towns and estimates are as high as 40% of the entire adult population, due sadly to a government with the best of intentions.  (Massive country wide innoculation program, great idea but glass needles and less then sterile environment ended up causing more problems.) 

I don't know, I know ozone is extremely effective against bacteria, molds, fungus, etc. when it is allowed direct contact.  I'm also well aware of anaerobic bacteria.  I still don't see it's application inside the human body and especially against hep.  But that's just me and I do not hold myself out to be an expert.  As long as levels are kept below toxic I don't think it can hurt.  My issue continues to be the same, no way ozone, as ozone, is going to reach the liver where the virus sets up shop.

I can understand the reluctance to take up iinterferon though.  You hear so many horror stories and reading the warning label doesn't exactly give you warm and fuzzy feelings.  I will tell you from personal experience that I didn't think it was all that bad and I can tell you of a whole host of others that also found it pretty tolerable.  I won't tell you I felt 100% normal during tx but it never made me feel bad at all and never impacted my quality of life.  Alas I do have to confess it didn't help in the long run either.  Due to the lower costs in your neck of the woods have you considered maintenance instead of tx?  Lower dose of interferon and no RIBA (which to me was the worst of the two).  I've not heard of anyone doing maintenace who complains about it.  Might be kind of a middle ground for you.

Lynne, again I really appreciate your taking the time to respond to my questions and doing so very throughtly I might add.  Glad you survived your cold and I wish you the best of luck going forward with whatever you decide to do.

Doug

[EBOO]

New York State Department of Health (NYSDOH)
Stops a World First U.S. - Egyptian Collaborative Study
on Hepatitis C and Blood Ozonation
http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/nysdoh.v.ozone.htm

The USA boasts it is the land of the free, a citizen has the right to own a gun, and there are many precedents for justifiable homicide and taking another's life. The same civil liberties however don't extend to one's choice of health care.

In 1991 after Wells, Carpendale & colleagues showed that ozone could inactivate HIV in human blood in vitro, in non toxic concentrations, Garber carried out a double blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial of Auto-Hemo-Therapy (a primitive in vivo blood ozonation treatment and a predessessor in the more effective EBOO haemofiltration) on AIDs patients. Many ozone proponents claimed the trial was designed to fail. The trial was replicated and the results confirmed by Hooker & Gazzard & Bocci AHT is not a cure for AID's.
 
However in “Phase 1 of the trial (as in any clinical trial) investigater's tested the safety of re-infusing ozonated blood, and found “no toxicity” after 12 weeks of treatment”

this non-toxicity in blood ozonation in confirmed by dozens of other researchers including,

Effect of Ozone on Red Blood Cell Enzymes and Intermediates “Despite encouraging anecdotal reports regarding the use of ozone in various disorders, there has been a concern that ozone per se may adversely affect red cell membranes and metabolites. The purpose of this study was to ascertain the effect of ozone administration at a concentration commonly used in autohemotherapy on a panel of red cell enzymes and intermediates, as well as its effect on red cell integrity. Since these parameters were unaffected by ozone, we suggest that clinical trials for the use of ‘blood ozonation’ should be encouraged. ” Ari Zimran (Israel), Gerhard Wasser (Germany),
 Linda Forman , Terri Gelbart, Ernest Beutler (The Scripps Research Institute USA)
Acta Haematologica 1999;102:148-151

Ozone is proven very effective at killing viruses in vitro (in glassware outside the body) the Extra-corporeal / haemo filtraion design of EBOO creates this in vitro environment and achieves a viral load reduction not possible with the (in vivo) AHT method of administering ozone.

This Treatment is available in South East Asia by a UK trained doctor with 7 years of EBOO experience.  EBOO has now been performed on over 20,000 patients without any significant side effects or complications. As a treatment for hepatitis and liver cirrhosis it is second to none.

 inquiry@eboo-safe.com

[Hank's mom]

I followed the above link for Dr. Sunnen and was most impressed with the hypnotherapy portion of his further links. I have found that the feeling of well-being does assist treatments in curing. I am not however convinced that it can stand alone. This said, an accepting body can improve likelihood of reducing physical problems. My grandfather pioneered using hypnotherapy with his dental patients mostly to help soften their fears. Therein lies the benefit - to assist treatment and soften fears so treatments can proceed unimpeded. Also, I have learned that fear and/or stress are extremely rough on healing. So if hypnotism or self-hypnotism or meditation can assit dropping the burdens of fear and stress the body can generate more healing power and extracting the the most from treatments. Perhaps its just me or that I have never been able to go into a deep meditation, but I am not sold on either hypnotism or meditation as a cure in and of themselves, but as an aide. Just my thoughts.
Lynn: Though sides from tx can be very rough and some people do not respond, I am a non-responder, if your vr is low you have the best chance of clearing by starting before things get worse. It certainly will not make the virus worse and may not take as long. Many people don't suffer horribly though those that do certainly exist. I suppose when you weigh the pros and cons it is alot like the whole half full or half empty question. I went in to tx with my eyes open, tried to educate myself as much as possible, talked to my docs and family and was hopeful. That it failed with me does not cause me a moment of regret as my virus was very advanced and my liver in a bad way from virus related cirrhosis. Also, in most cases other than blind trials rescue drugs are available for many of the complaints. I've never heard any one say it is a pleasure cruise, but getting a demon to stop eating at your organs is worth it in my book. Again, just my thoughts.
momxfive

[jody13]

Willy , this is one thing I asked my doctor about today , as I had printed the info on EBOO out and he said it wouldn't work??? NOt that I believe every thing they tell me though. Jody 13

[willy]

Jody, this remains an interest to me.  I don't see it as a "cure" per se, but I don't think that means it would or could have no value.  Frankly it looks to me as if it could be effective  as a cohort in treatment. 

Imagine that many genotype 1's now may take about 12 weeks to clear.  Those who clear by week 4 (RVR-Rapid Viral Response) have a greatly improved chance of attaining SVR AND studies have shown that they can also treat fro a much shorter period of time- 24 weeks instead of 48.  MIGHT a treatment like EBOO be effective in helping acheive an RVR?  IF indeed the treatment can lower viral load then treatment with interferon and ribiviren would start with an already reduced viral load.  One reason that RVR's tend to produce SVR's is that the virus is eliminated before it has a chance to mutate.  My sense is that by varying the types of treatment you may also increase the viral response while reducing the chances of developing resistance.

I don't know if EBOO is safe but the literature suggests that it may be.  I also don't know If it reduces the virtal load but once again that is one of the claims and I believe that it might be easy to find sufficient proof or disproof of the premise.  If it were true that one could safely reduce the viral load prior to doing treatment I would be surprised if the combination would not produce shorter treatment times and higher SVR rates. 

Since current treatment only provides roughly 40-50% SVR rates in genotype 1's I would think it fair to say that the treatment brings patient only to the threshold of bering able to be "cured". Any adjuct treatment which either speeds the viral response or aids in providing a stronger viral response could be useful and should not be dismissed.  Even if the additional cure rate were only 5-10% I would think that it would merit considering the process in as a prelude to treating with current SOC. 

This is only me ruminating.  I have no medical credentials.  I hardly think that the FDA would consider using a treatment which is not FDA approved (like EBOO) with SOC.  I would be interested in hearing and reading more about this idea.  It's kind of like a "cocktail" without adding any new drug into the mix of drugs that we must take to treat and "cure".  Yet another "wrinkle" in this type of treatment is that before treatment you could also tranfuse a few pints of your own blood for use if you became anemic.  In treating that blood you could have the best of two worlds; your own blood to aid you during TX to fight anemia.  Not only would this aid you in staying on full doseof SOC but I would suppose that the blood would be intact and without any virus.

There may be a few holes in my reasoning.  I'd love to hear them.

Willy

[willy]

I continue to think that this could remain an adjunct (or pre-adjunct) to treatment.  If one can use a method of reducing the viral load in a person before administering whatever form of treatment one embarks on (for most of us that would be standard TX-SOC) then one could conceivabley attain an RVR quite easily. 

This is a big IF....but IF the virus is reduced by such a treatment and then eliminated by standard HCV treatment it may provide a higher RVR rate and subsequent SVR rate.   HCV mutates so quickly it ends up developing resistant virons to almost any form of new compound.  Starting out with a very low viral load could end up impacting upon the effectiveness of current treatment or for that matter treatments that are currently in develpment. 

If nothing else it makes for interesting reading. -Willy
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http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/hepc.htm
(Below are only a few paragraphs from th article.  Please visit the above link for the entire article-Willy)


Some viruses are much more susceptible to ozone's action than others. It has been found that lipid-enveloped viruses are the most sensitive. This group includes, amongst others, HCV, Herpes 1 and 2, Cytomegalus, HIV1 and 2.

The envelopes of viruses provide for intricate cell attachment, penetration, and cell exit strategies. Peplomers, finely tuned to adjust to changing receptors on a variety of host cells, constantly elaborate new glycoproteins under the direction of E1 and E2 portions of the HCV genome. Envelopes are fragile. They can be disrupted by ozone and its by-products.

In HCV, viral load appears to be a major factor in the invasiveness and virulence of the disease process. Preliminary research has shown that reduction of viral load in Hepatitis C by means of ozone therapy can significantly normalize hepatic enzymes and improve measures of global patient health. Volunteers administered ozone therapy according to the method outlined below achieved a viral load reduction in the order of 5 log, or 99.9%, along with a normalization of liver enzyme levels. (bold face my empasis-Willy)

[Helen]

You know I read just last week or so in one of those celebrity magazines ( cant remeber which one) That Pam Anderson is doing this therapy, Ill try and see if I can find more info.

[robin]

Tried to reply to Willie's statement "he might have a few holes in his reasoning and would love to hear them"...thinking the holes would be more in your bank account since EBOO is not "accepted" as a part of treatment for hep C and so not covered under most insurance policies.  Just kidding and Keep your spirits high...robin

[willy]

Glad you are only kidding Robin.   

The actions of the FDA are not always what I measure as the end all in determination.  They are often under criticism for being in the control of big Pharma and even more lately also a tool of the government.  For instance the "morning after pill" has been available in Europe since the late 1900's.  We've had troubles getting it approved here due to our current governments insistance on "abstinence"

://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/15/health/main623159.shtml

The US Parks service under Bush is communicating that the Grand Canyon was caused by the Great Flood several thousand years ago.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/canyonflood.htm

And Nasa under the same great leadership has until very recently refused to admit that global warming exists.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6341451/

Call me cynical......... but it would seem to me that a treatment that could temporarily reduce the HCV viral load to very low levels could also drop the drug use (and drug profits) to much lower levels during treatment.  If you were a pharmaceutical company....would you be in favor or opposed to such a treatment? 

For me the question remains; can this treatment lower the viral load safely?  Would a temporary viral load reduction assist in attaining a RVR? 

RVR's seem to remain the best predictor of attainment of an SVR to date.  Starting with a nearly nil viral load before treating seems like a no-brainer to me.  I'm just curious and waiting for more data.

best,
Willy

[robin]

I would be in favor if I had an EBOO machine set up  ...keep your spirits high...robin

[willy]

This thread is a continuation of a following thread;

http://www.hcvanonymous.com/SMF/index.php/topic,5641.0.html

EBOO is merely one brand name for a type of ozonation of blood.  There is another process in which UV light is used to kill the virus.  Both are similar in that they treat blood outside of the body and return it to the patient.  They are distinct from one another in that they use different mediums to kill the virus.

I am not hyping a treatment but I am providing a forum for either catalouging information about the processes and also providing a space for people to read and comment.  Either is welcome; both the positives and negative rebuttal to the premise that these could help or shorten treatment.

best,
willy