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« on: August 14, 2007, 09:16:19 PM »

Hi folks!!!

Now I was'nt sure if this was the right section to post this so if it needs to be palced somewhere else, then by all means but, please do'nt delete it TIA!!!

I use butter what do you use??? Huh Roll Eyes

Butter

Pass the butter ~ ~ ~  This is interesting.

Margarine was originally manufactured to fatten turkeys. When it killed the turkeys,
the people who had put all the money into the research wanted a payback so they put
their heads together to figure out what to do with this product to get their money back.
It was a white substance with no food appeal so they added the yellow coloring and sold it
to people to use in place of butter. How do you like it? They have come out with some clever new flavorings. Shocked Shocked Sad Huh Angry Angry Angry

DO YOU KNOW... the difference between margarine and butter? Huh Huh Huh

Read on to the end...gets very interesting! [/size]

Both have the same amount of calories.
Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams.
Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the same amount of Butter, according to a recent Harvard Medical Study. Shocked Roll Eyes Huh

Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods.
Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added!
Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of other foods.
Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been around for less than 100 years.

And now, for Margarine..
Very high in Trans fatty acids. Triple risk of coronary heart disease.  Angry Shocked Shocked Shocked
Increases total cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol) and lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) Increases the risk of cancers up to five fold. Lowers quality of breast milk.
Decreases immune response. Decreases insulin response. And here's the most disturbing fact.... HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!

Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC..
Angry Angry Angry Shocked Shocked Shocked Huh Huh Huh

This fact alone was enough to have me avoid margarine for life and anything else that is
hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is added, changing the molecular structure of the substance).

You can try this yourself: Purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will note a couple of things:

* no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it (that should tell you something)  Huh

* it does not rot or smell differently because it has no nutritional value; nothing will grow on it even those teeny weeny micro-organisms will not a find a home to grow. Why? Because it is nearly plastic that is unless they add some organic flavoring like "Olive Oil"!!! Shocked Huh Roll Eyes Angry
Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast? Huh Roll Eyes Sad Shocked Angry

Share This With Your Friends.....(If you want to "butter them up")!!!!

Respectfully,
Henry  Wink Grin Roll Eyes Huh Cool

P.S. The uploader is full moderators... TIA  Grin

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 07:30:29 AM »

I hate margarine!!  I started using butter when I went on the low carb diet years ago and learned that the possitives out weighed the negative in using butter.  I have only used butter to cook and eat with for over 10 years.  I love the taste of real butter.......there is nothing like it.

Thanks Henry for making feel good about my decision  Wink

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 03:25:51 PM »

I like the real deal. Bring on the butter.

Becky Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 03:53:19 PM »

see also;

http://www.hcvanonymous.com/SMF/index.php?topic=2221.0

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 07:18:31 PM »

Weemarkabel!!! Roll Eyes Huh Shocked Shocked Shocked

It's virtually identical!!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
One should have access to a "plagarism checker" before posting something in this forum Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Some people might just get the wrong idea - Capish Huh Huh Huh Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Wink

 Btw, that bridge in the pic below looks like the identical  design to the one that collapsed in Minneapolis!!! I guess I'll be careful if I feel any unusual vibrations the next time I walk across it to get to Schenely Park!!!  Huh Huh HuhShocked Shocked Shocked Cool
Respectfully,
Henry Grin Huh Roll Eyes Shocked Cool Wink

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 08:35:38 PM »

Not sure if I use colored water or plastic but I go for fat free margarine...keep your spirits high...robin
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 09:18:46 PM »

Couldn't agree more about the margarine, Henry - it's lethal stuff!  I've been trying to talk my father out of it for years, and he's finally compromised and gone for a spread that's a combination of flax oil and butter.  My husband's family has a history of very high cholesterol, and although we eat eggs and butter all the time, his cholesterol is a very healthy 4 (normal in Oz 3.5 to 5).
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 01:48:24 AM »

Butter for me, I wouldn't eat margarine if you paid me!!!
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2007, 04:03:07 AM »

 I use "Olivio" or "Good sense".

 You may want to read this, its one of the links within the link that Willy provided.  Smiley

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/margarine.html

 Stop junk e-mail and misinformation.BreakTheChain.org

 Margarine is Deadly, Butter is Better?
Date Added: Oct. 10, 2003
Last Updated: Jan. 31, 2006

It seems like each week we receive an important notice about our health that contradicts what we've long been taught about the things we eat. One week butter is bad for you, the next it's good. When I first wrote an article on this chain letter back in 2003, I had no idea how long-lived it would be or how heated the debate would get. The Butter Battle wages on...

BUTTER VERSES MARGARINE

DID YOU KNOW... The difference between margarine and butter?

Both have the same amount of calories Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams. Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the same amount of butter according to a recent Harvard Medical Study

Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods Butter has many nutrional benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added! Butter tastes much better then margarine and it can enhance the flavours of other foods. Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been around for less then 100 years Now for Margarine... very high in Trans Fatty Acids Triple risk of Coronary Heart Disease Increases total and LDL ( this is the bad cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol * and this is the good one Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold. Lowers quality of breast milk. Decreases immune response. Decreases insulin response.

And here is the most disturbing fact....

Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE from being PLASTIC...

( this fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is hydrogenated , this means hydrogen is added changing the molecular structure of the food )

YOU can try this yourself, purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or shaded area, within a couple of days you will note a couple of things, no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it,( that should tell you something) it does not rot, smell differently...Because it has no nutritional value, nothing will grow on it, even those teeny weeny microorganisms will not a find a home to grow...Why? because it is nearly plastic. Would you melt your tupperware and spread that on your toast?

Yuck!

What you're looking at above is not a coherent essay written by a single, knowledgeable author. It is actually a compilation of facts and opinions from many unidentified sources, incorporating a good deal of sensational and questionable information. However, its basic premise - that trans-fatty acids found in most margarine have been linked to heart disease and other conditions - is basically correct.

A 1994 Harvard University study, as well as research from other credible sources, concluded that a diet high in trans-fat doubles the chance for heart attack and decreases life expectancy. While trans-fats can occur naturally, they are most commonly associated with chemical preservative techniques, such as hydrogenation. During hydrogenation, liquid fats, like most vegetable oils, are infused with hydrogen atoms to make them semi-solid at room temperature. Unfortunately, the process produces trans-fatty acids, often in large amounts.

The dangers of trans-fatty acids have only recently been publicized. Health and dietary experts now recommend that you limit your intake of hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated foodstuffs as much as possible. In its 2005 revised nutrition guidelines, the U.S. Department of Agriculture warns of trans-fats. And, effective 2006, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration requires manufacturers to list trans-fat content on nutrition facts labels.

But, butter isn't necessarily the healthier alternative. While butter and Margarine have similar caloric values, butter is made from milk fat and is generally is much higher than margarine in saturated fat, which is also known to be detrimental to heart health. Margarine contains small amounts of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats, which are generally considered healthier than saturated. According to a recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, switching from butter to margarine can greatly reduce blood cholesterol levels. Further, not all margarine is created equal. Many brands have developed semi-solid spreads without hydrogenation - and thus, no trans-fat. Most brands that are trans-fat free proudly and prominently state so on their packaging.

With pros and cons on both sides, the butter pundits usually pull out the "naturalness" argument. Margarine is indeed a durable foodstuff that can survive outside refrigeration without spoiling. However, its durability is not because margarine is chemically similar to plastic, as the letter above asserts. Rather, margarine is made from vegetable oils (corn, canola, olive, etc.), which are less susceptible to bacteria and fungi than dairy fats.

It is not true that margarine is "but ONE MOLECULE from being PLASTIC," and, even if it was, this doesn't mean that eating margarine is like eating plastic (though some would argue it tastes like it). Many items in nature are chemically similar to one another, but that doesn't make them similar in appearance or effect. It's not the molecules that a substance is made of that defines it, but rather how those molecules are arranged.

Both butter and margarine contain fats, which are basically groupings of the elements carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. The difference is how those atoms are bonded together. (Naturally occurring fatty acids generally have one "cis" orientation, meaning both hydrogen atoms are on the same side as the carbon atoms. Trans-fatty acids, logically, have a "trans" orientation, meaning that at least one hydrogen atom is opposite the carbons. Essentially, the molecules making up both butter and margarine contain the same atoms, just in different configurations. Margarine has much more in common chemically with butter than it does plastic.

Butter is more natural (and some would argue more flavorful), is not hydrogenated and, thus does not contain trans-fats. Margarine, on the other hand, is cholesterol free, lower in saturated fats and is increasingly becoming available in trans-fat free varieties. Whichever spread you choose, experts say moderation is key. Too much of either is definitely a bad thing, says the American Heart Association:

Butter is rich in both saturated fat and cholesterol, so it's potentially highly atherogenic. That means it contributes to the build up of cholesterol and other substances in artery walls. Such plaque deposits increase the risk of heart attack and stroke.

Most margarine is made from vegetable fat and provides no dietary cholesterol. The more liquid the margarine (in tub or liquid form), the less hydrogenated it is and the less trans fatty acids it contains. On the basis of current data, we recommend that consumers follow these tips:


Use naturally occurring, unhydrogenated oil such as canola or olive oil when possible.
Look for processed foods made with unhydrogenated oil rather than hydrogenated oil or saturated fat.
Use margarine as a substitute for butter, and choose soft (liquid or tub) margarines over harder, stick forms. Use margarine with no more than 2 grams of saturated fat per tablespoon and with liquid vegetable oil as the first ingredient.
The American Heart Association's Nutrition Committee strongly advises that healthy Americans over age 2 limit their intake of saturated fat and trans-fat to less than 10 percent of total calories. Healthy people should adjust their total fat intake to match their energy expenditure so they don't gain weight. To lose weight, it's helpful to limit total fat to no more than 30 percent of calories.

Minimize trans-fat intake. If you limit your daily intake of fats and oils to 5-8 teaspoons, you aren't likely to get an excess of trans-fatty acids.

BreakTheChain.org recommends against relying upon or forwarding health advice via e-mail chain letters. The medium is simply too unreliable. If you have a question about your particular risks from using butter or margarine, your best source of advice remains your family physician, who can analyze your health and diet and help you make the best decision for your situation. Break this chain.

References: Snopes.com, About.com Nutrition Guide, ScientificPsychic.com, American Heart Association

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2007, 09:02:19 AM »

Earth Balance non dairy vegan spread
fabulous product--great texture, no GMO's
or animal fat--get it in any health food store of Whole Foods
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2007, 09:46:37 AM »

 Cry Hank
           I'm so sad to say that I use low fat "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter !!!! Undecided when I read about the PLASTIC I wanted to throw up !! I hate the taste of real butter but I'm sure in the heck going to make myself love it.....what a bummer !!!
   Thanks for this info....VERY good to know !!!!!
 
 what a man  Grin...Angel
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2007, 10:38:03 AM »

I've been buying some stuff called "Canola Harvest".  I have a new and old container of it and while the new product seems to be healthier (or so I'd assume) when I check the back panel I see the new stuff doesn't have any trans fats (that's good) but that the newer improved stuff has 1% more saturated fat per the side panel.  (7%  old stuff and 8% new packaged stuff).

Keep in mind that unless you are you are also looking at the amount of product the percentage is irrelevant.  For instance if they decided that they would just lower the serving size the percentage will drop without making any changes whatsoever.

For that reason...... I really try to limit my fats and oil intakes on everything.  I'm of the opinion that most Americans get plenty.....and in fact way too much.  Since fatty liver is also a serious disease that we are more likely to acquire I think it makes good sense to keep an eye on our intake; both in the quality of the fats and oils we ingest but also in the quantity that we let slip thru our lips.

Thanks for reposting the article Hank.  We should all pay closer attention to our diet.

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2007, 01:07:42 PM »

That first article is a little misleading and a bit of a hoax.
 Read the Bold print in the above post I made. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2007, 04:26:19 PM »

There's definitely negatives for too much saturated fats - especially for us liver people.  The olive oil spread sounds good - what's in the vegan spread Nialla?  My only worry with canola oil is that the majority of it is now GM - unless specified on the label. 
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2007, 05:20:58 PM »

Ed uses smart balance.  Supposed to help his cholesterol ratio (he thinks). 
I'm not so sure about it though as it has some pretty strange ingredients.  Natural Oil Blend (Palm Fruit, soybean, canola and olive oils), vegetable monoglycerides and sorbitan ester of fatty acids (emulsifiers), soybean lecithin, potassium sorbate.  Sounds rather suspicious to me.  I think The olive oil spreads are better.  But if you take a fat an partially hydrogynate it, doesn't that turn it into a saturated fat?
Claims are no trans fatty acids naturally.  Non-hydrogynated.
I use a little olive oil for cooking at low temps, macadamia oil sometimes for higher temps. but generally skip the butter or other spreads.
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