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« on: March 06, 2009, 01:50:45 PM »

In half an hour i will start the treatment..........scared of side effects.
Not about the mild ones , but wondering if i can develop more serious ones ( depression, mood swings, lupus , vision problems, arthritis ecc. )
But I am positive about treatment and want to go farward.
I have a 6years old daughter and wondering if I should talk to her about HepC and treatment.......I'm divorced and my ex is a difficult one!
I am a flight attendant and wondering if it's going to be difficult flying lots and lots of miles while on medicines.
But I guess I have to take it one day at a time .
I haven't told my family about the HepC and the treatment because they live in Italy and I don't want to worry them...
I know I'm a mess.
Going now.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 02:07:49 PM »

SW, I have not treated so I can't answer that question, I can tell you though that you are at the right place for answers.

The people on this forum are the greatest in the world and will treat you with the most respect ,and you can trust their answers !!!

I pray that your symptoms are few and your path to recovery short !!!

Welcome to our home away from home !
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 03:44:07 PM »

Hello SW and welcome to the thread.I take my 8th shot tonight. I too  was very scared, I totally understand how you are feeling. This website is full of wonderful people who will help you thru this rollercoaster ride. I hope that your first shot and  first dose of Ribavirin don`t give you too bad of sides. we all respond differently. I have have a rough time myself mainly with the fatigue and nausea. Please try to keep a positive attitude and know that you have all of us here for emotional  support and encouragement as well as tips on how to manage the sides that you might experence. Please let us all know how your doing. My prayers are with you. The sides that I have , have all been managable, and I have continued to work my job as a nurse in the operating room. I am starting my eighth week today and have only missed one day of work so far. Are you on any antidepressants yet? I started on them about 5-6 weeks before I started treatment. Good luck to you and remember that we are all here for you my friend. Oh yeah, Make sure you drink alot of fluids, it is extremely important. Take care and please keep posting,
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 04:03:35 PM »

Hi SW,

Welcome and good luck on your treatment journey.

I'm currently on my second round of treatment, as a matter of fact I'm 65 weeks into my second round.  I'm still kicking and still functioning.  You're going to hear "everybody's different" so much when it comes to sides (sx) from treatment (tx) that you might get irritated with us.   Grin.

I have a lot of sides but every one of them is what I consider mild and tolerable.  I have a minor persistent rash on my face, I have cracking in the corners of my mouth, anemia controlled with Aranesp, fatigue, flue like aches and social withdrawal.   I've been told that the social withdrawal is a sign of depression  but to be quite honest I don't feel depressed at all and I don't need an anti-depressent.

As far at the auto-immune side effects, yes, they do happen but they do not happen often.  I did wind up with Rheumatoid Arthritis after I did my first round of 48 weeks of treament ... BUT ... my mother had severe RA and I was serum positive for the RA factor 5 years before I ever treated.  Hence, I had a strong predisposition for the disease and probably would have gotten it anyway.  Interferon just added insult to injury and hastened the process for me.

We have members here that go from one end of the side effect spectrum to the other.  Some had nothing more than fatigue, some had to actually stop tx due to severe rashes, one wound up with lupus, a couple with fibromyalgia and a couple with RA.  Most fall in the middle of the road.

Again, welcome and good luck.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 07:08:30 PM »

Welcome SW and good luck with tx. I have never treated but offer my support and there are alot of great people here that will, and can, help you thru this. If you can you may want to stop in chat, its a great way to get to know other members and it can be just plain fun.  Grin
 
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2009, 08:36:19 PM »

Welcome:
Try to relax and not stress out about it.  Many people go through treatment without a whole lot of side effects.  And sometimes it is the ones you least expect that creep up on you.  I was most concerned about depression,etc, as I had an underlying condition.  Started seeing a psychologist routinely just as an outsider to help monitor my moods.  That went well.  The side effect that really got me was hemolytic anemia.  I would have never guessed that I would need procrit, transfusions and an eventual reduction in ribavirin dose.  Just couldn't keep up with those old red blood cells dying prematurely.
You are right about one thing.  Take it one day at a time.  I did not tell my parents during the entire time.  Just tried to mentally boost myself up when they came to visit.  I did my best and somehow made it through. With a lot of helpfrom the people here.  My lifeline.
Best of luck on your treatment journey.  How long are you doing treatment for?
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2009, 08:44:43 PM »

Hi SW,

Well, guess you've got things going by now. Sometimes the first half dozen or so shots can be very bad. . . and then things improve substantially.

I remember your first posts. . . you're the geno 4. Your chance at getting rid of the virus is very good. It's generally agreed that not missing doses. . . especially during the first 4 to 8 weeks is crucial.

The following is pasted from someone else's post. I can say I do agree with most of the suggestions.

When things get difficult, try to remember you're on a well trodden path. Many of us have gone before you. . . . and come out the other side without the virus.

How to Prevent Side Effects During Hep C Treatment.

One of the most common side effects of hepatitis C treatment is FLU-LIKE symptoms which can include: Fever, chills, body aches, sweating, headaches, runny nose, watery eyes...I think you get the picture...it feels like you have the flu....but having these symptoms is not a bad reaction...it's a GOOD reaction. When the Interferon starts to work, it activates your immune system . This creates a reaction....fever!...But since it doesn't feel so good, there are things you can do to minimize the discomfort.

Hepatologists say 6 regular Tylenol/Acetaminophen(325mg each) per day are okay but because I'm not a doctor, please check with your own doctor before taking anything. That's 2 tablets of Regular Tylenol half hour before the injection and the injection should be given at bedtime (at about the same time every week) so that you can hopefully sleep and not feel some of the discomfort. Let's say that in the m]orning you have a headache...you can take 2 more Tylenol but NEVER exceed more than 6 per day. Remember check with your doctor to see if this is okay. Aspirin or Ibuprofen are not recommended because they can lower the platelets and the treatment meds can do the same.

The most important thing to do to prevent side effects is to drink WATER. The recommended amount is half your body weight in ounces (that means if you weigh 160 lbs, the amount of water should be 80 ounces of water daily). You can also have juice (unsweetened), broth, jello, popsicles, lemonade, crystal light, and soda without caffeine. Start drinking since the morning of the first injection.

Avoid caffeine because it dehydrates you and you want to be well hydrated. To me it's like working against the treatment and we must use whatever we can to beat this virus...even if sometimes it may appear like a very small detail...whatever I can use, I'll use. Caffeine also causes a rapid increase in blood pressure and for those of you who have esophageal varices, this may be a problem. For diabetics, caffeine can increase the blood sugar ALL DAY LONG.

I once met somebody who was so scared of treatment that he only injected half the dose and went to bed. He didn't drink water because he didn't want to have to get up in the middle of the night....guess what happened?...yes, he got very sick....and quit. Months later he tried it again...this time he drank the water....and he sat up all night waiting for the side effects that never came.

Interferon is a protein that your own body produces. It activates your immune system to fight viruses but your body doesn't produce enough to get rid of the Hepatitis C virus. You will be getting weekly injections of a long-acting Interferon called either PegIntron or Pegasys. It is recommended that the injection be given at bedtime (whatever your bedtime is) AT THE SAME TIME EVERY WEEK or as close as you can. If you wait longer, especially with the Peg Intron, there may be gaps where the blood level may not be high enough to stop the virus from multiplying. I suggest you taking the first shot when you have a couple of days off from work.

The Ribavirin or Copegus capsules are to be taken TWICE A DAY and the doses should be 12 HOURS APART....you choose the times but try to always do it at the same times. So if you choose 8 am, the second dose should be at 8 pm. Start taking the capsules the morning of the day you will be taking your first injection. If your doctor orders 5 capsules daily...take 3 in am and 2 in pm. If he orders 6 per day...take 3 in am and 3 in pm. Taking the capsules with food improves absorption and decreases the risk of getting nausea. However, do NOT take the capsules at the same time as antacids like Maalox because that interferes with absorption.

THIS IS CRUCIAL!....DO NOT MISS ANY DOSES UNLESS YOUR DOCTOR TELLS YOU TO. Studies have shown that to expect success, you must take AT LEAST 80% of the meds, 80% of the time. If you become very anemic, the dose of capsules may need to be decreased. If on top of that you miss some doses, your chances of success decrease greatly. Be careful not to run out of medication. Get refills early.

FATIGUE--Can happen because of lack of protein..Studies have shown that people that have liver disease have a higher caloric need and as cirrhosis advances, they become malnourished. Also, nausea can cause long periods of not being able to eat. When this happens, your body uses your MUSCLE for energy, making your muscles weak and you feel tired.

Protein is only restricted when people are decompensated (liver no longer working) but if you're unsure, check with your doctor. The Schering "Be in Charge" book recommends half your body weight in grams of protein. To work out the amount for you...DIVIDE your weight by 2. The result will be the amount of grams of protein recommended for you based on your body weight. For example, if you weigh 160 lbs, your daily protein intake should be 80 grams.

Foods considered Protein-- All meats, however I DO NOT recommend red meat (it's tougher on the liver), or liver (it has large amount of iron which can accumulate in the liver and FEED THE VIRUS), Beans, cheese, tofu, soy, eggs (or egg whites), peanut butter and all nuts. There is also protein in many vegetables.

Since having the right amount of protein may mean having to eat more food, using POWDER PROTEIN (WITHOUT IRON) is a good alternative. Get something that has 30-50 grams of protein per scoop. That way you can have a protein shake in the morning and the rest you can get from food. Having the protein shake in the morning will help give you energy during the day.

I also recommend NOT cooking your food in iron skillets. Some of the iron can be absorbed by the food. Please don't even think about eating raw seafood. If contaminated it can cause fulminant hepatitis.

To prevent fatigue ask your doctor if you can take a daily multi-vitamin WITHOUT IRON (very important). Vitamins for "mature" people (like Centrum Silver) don't contain iron. Again, check this with your doctor. A study done by Schering Pharmaceuticals showed that using an anti-oxidant vitamin daily, helped to prevent anemia ONLY in the first 12 weeks of treatment...I say, better than nothing.

AVOID taking herbal meds without your doctor's okay. If your doctor says it's okay to take Milk Thistle, it should have 70-80 % Sylimarin, the active ingredient, to be beneficial. Milk Thistle has protective and anti-inflammatory properties.

AVOID Gingko, Kava, Ginger in large amounts, Garlic capsules (garlic in food is okay), Valerian Root, Comfrey, Germander, Chaparral, Gordolobo. They can all be toxic to the liver. St John's Wort (an over-the-counter anti-depressant) can interfere with the Peg and make your treatment ineffective!!!

EXERCISE WILL HELP NOT JUST PREVENT FATIGUE BUT ALSO DEPRESSION.

Depression--The Peg injection alters certain chemicals in your brain causing depression. It can happen to anybody at any time and can be severe enough to cause suicidal or homicidal thoughts. Waiting for depression to go away or telling yourself to be strong won't work. The only thing that will help is anti-depressants. It is critical that you recognize the symptoms of depression early since anti-depressants take about 2 weeks to start to work. Symptoms can include: Sadness, crying, alienating yourself from others, not enjoying the things you usually enjoy, innability to sleep (or waking up after only a couple of hours), severe anxiety at night, palpitations, severe irritability (anger).
If any of this things happen, notify your doctor immediately so he can prescribe an anti-depressant. Anti-depressants can take a couple of weeks to start to work so don't wait to tell your doctor.

***Remember that most anti-depressants, like Paxil, Zoloft, and Celexa can cause impotence in men while taking them. Wellbutrin does not.

LOSS OF APETITE, NAUSEA, VOMITING-- When we are dehydrated we crave water, but during treatment, when we lack protein, instead of craving protein we get LOSS OF APETITE and NAUSEA. To prevent this, eat the proper amount of protein for your body weight...push yourself. You can also use Ginger ale, 7-up, saltines, jello, and keep drinking the water. If the nausea is severe, ask your doctor for medication to make it stop.

DIARRHEA--Next time you see your doctor, ask him, "If I get diarrhea, what can I take?" They usually let you have over-the-counter meds like Immodium and of course, you would increase the amount of water you are drinking.

HAIR LOSS--You may notice more hair on your brush and your hair thinning but you won't go bald. Things that can help: Nioxin shampoo/conditioner, soft brush, not shampooing daily, silk pillowcase to prevent pulling your hair when you turn, avoid jells, harsh chemicals, blow driers, curling irons and rubber bands that pull our hair. Use hats, wigs or get a short haircut.

RASH-- A rash caused by Interferon is usually mild, can come and go and it's not itchy. Try using lotions or Aveno soap. The rash caused by Ribavirin capsules can be severe, anywhere on your body, it's very itchy and can get worse when you take more capsules. If it happens, notify your doctor. Severe reactions are very rare. If you feel like your throat is closing, get help immediately!

SUN SENSITIVITY-- Did I hear someone say tanning bed? Absolutely not! Interferon can cause you to burn easily and get skin cancer. It also causes increased sweating. Avoid very hot showers and jaccuzis. It remainds me of hard boiled eggs tee, hee....and I've seen people pass out after. Your eyes can also be affacted by the sun and since Interferon can cause them to get very dry, this would only make it worse. For dry eyes you can use natural tears to lubricate them, DO NOT USE Visine which dehydrates. If you are going to be out in the sun for prolonged periods of time, use sunblock, hats and long sleeves.

RETINAL BLEEDING-- For diabetics, it's recommended they get an eye exam, done by an opthalmologist, before starting treatment. Your doctor should check your eyes at EVERY VISIT. This is done by shining a light and looking inside the eye. Notify your physician immediately if you experience vision changes like: Blurry vision, black spots, floaters, blind spots, tunnel vision or eye pain.

The RIBAVIRIN or COPEGUS capsules can cause multiple blood abnormalities.-- Anemia (iron won't help since this is caused by the capsules and not by iron defficiency). Low white cells which defend you against infections, Low platelets (responsible for clotting), Low Neutrophils (white cells that defend you against bacterial infections), increased bilirubin (causes yellow in eyes and skin), increased uric acid (too high causes gout), high blood sugar even if you are not a diabetic, and low or high thyroid (which may or may not resolve after treatment).

ANEMIA.....caused by the Ribavirin/Copegus capsules. Symptoms can include fatigue, weakness, shortness of breath, and in some cases, chest pain which can lead to a heart attack (especially if you have a history of cardiac problems). Report all episodes of chest pain to your doctor right away!!!

Dose reductions are to be avoided if at all possible. If the hemoglobin drops to 10 or below (or you are having severe anemia symptoms), your doctor can prescribe a medication to help the anemia called Procrit or Aranesp (same as Procrit but long-acting).

Since Procrit is not yet approved by the FDA for the treatment of anemia caused by the Hepatitis C treatment, your insurance company may deny it.....this can be avoided by using a chemotherapy CODE. That's why some doctors send their patients to see a Hematologist so they can prescribe the Procrit (which is unnecesary and time consumming. Procrit takes 2-4 weeks to START to work).

If your doctor prescribes Procrit, make sure he CHECKS YOUR IRON. If you don't have enough IRON STORES, Procrit WILL NOT WORK!!!! Even though some Hepatitis C patients have too much iron, not everybody does.

LOW NEUTROPHILS-- Neutrophils are white cells that protect you against bacterial infections (throat, sinus, urinary, skin infections, etc). If the neutrophils are too low, your doctor may ask you to skip a Peg injection or cut the dose in half. Sometimes that's all it takes for the neutrophils to go back up to normal. However, if they remain low, your doctor can prescribe NEUPOGEN.

Remember that the goal is to avoid Peg/Riba dose reductions or interruptions....and the use of Procrit and Neupogen may be needed to be able to maintain the dose that will give you a better chance at clearing the virus.

It is extremely important that you have your blood tests done on time so blood abnormalities can be taken care of quickly and your treatment not be interrupted. Ask your doctor for copies of your blood tests results so you can keep track. After all, this is YOUR treatment.

I have tried to cover everything I could think of...but you are the one that knows your body best. If you think something is wrong...tell your doctor. Only your physician knows the exact condition of your liver and nobody's advice should replace that of your physician's.



Sources:
AdvancMed Speaker's Program.
Schering Speaker's Program.
Schering's "Be in Charge" book.
Projects in Knowledge, Side Effect Management Handbook.
http://www.projectsinknowledge.com/Init ... ndbook.pdf
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2009, 06:47:58 AM »

 HI SW

  So glad to have you on board here ,this site is what has help keep me on the right track  though my own journey down the TX trail.

   I know this stuff affects everyone differently as far as the side afects go. so just hang in there my friend.And know that you dont have to do this alone we are all here for you ,

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2009, 11:00:30 AM »

Hopefully by now you are feeling just fine and starting to wonder what the fuss is about.  I just want to wish you luck on your treatment journey.

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2009, 06:22:07 PM »

{{{*Welcome SW*}}}.....

I just wanted to say, "Hello" and let you know we are here All the Way with You.  I found that the support I got on this board during my 48 weeks of TX helped more than anything.  You mentioned that you had a postitive outlook and that will be an asset along your path.  Remember to keep posting so we can be here for you, okay?

*One Day At A Time* was and still Is the best slogan that I wrapped/wrap my arms around. Smiley

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2009, 06:31:19 PM »

Welcome SW....

Well by now you either think " hey...nothin to it!"   Or..." where did that truck come from?"

Hopefully you will be one of the lucky ones that get minimal sides and sail right throught this.

No matter what...it can be doable. Be sure to never think twice about calling your doc for meds to deal with the sides. They are usually more thanhappy to give you anything you might need to help you complete tx.

Watch for signs of depression...uncontrolable weeping, crying when you see a Cheerios commercial Wink, etc. Contact your doc soon if you begin to feel this way.

Be sure to come here often. While on tx, just booting up the pc mat seem like a lot of work, but the encouragement and help you will find here will make your effort worth while.

Roll up for the Magical Mystery Tour...step right this way!

Good luck....you can do this!
BTW, I worked throughout most of tx.....a couple days off here and there due to mental clarity issues....brian fog, etc. Flying should not bother you at all.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2009, 05:29:02 AM »

SW, I hope that now that some time has gone by you have had the experience  that this is do-able.  For many people the first shot turns out to be a non-event.  Many more find that it ain't great but after a few days they return close to normal and coast to the next shot.  Sometimes the symptoms seem to accumulate.....and then seem to drop away.

To paraphrase Forrest Gump; "Tx is like a box of chocolates; you never know what you're going to get."

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2009, 07:06:38 AM »

hi..
sounds like you do have a positive attitude and that will help.
i am not sure i would try to explain it to a 6 year old. that would be confusing i think.
as you dont know what kind of sides you will have yet. some people have worse than others.

pancho's post was very informative. and i agree with it.
the main thing is to drink alot of water. 1/2 your body weight in ounces.
if you drink caffeine drinks. they dont count as a fluid.
take your riba with food.
and aveeno oatmeal bath is great. try not to take too many hot baths and showers
as your skin will become dry on tx.
if you have problems like anxiety and insomnia,  you may have to start an anti-depressent like effexor.
your dr. will advice. but be careful of anything addicting like pain meds. or sleep aids.
as it may become hard to get off them when off tx. plus they have side effects too.
the first shot seems like it is the hardest. you may have night sweats and chills.
but the rest are usually easier.
take care and keep us posted.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2009, 07:22:16 AM »

Good luck...I also started my first shot on Wednesday so I know that feeling of anticipation. You got some great information here...wow Max, you outdid yourself. Let us know how the shot turned out for you. Keep your spirits high...robin   
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2009, 05:12:38 PM »

SW,
Welcome and hope things are going much better than you expected.  We are here to help you aon this journey so let us know how it is going.
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